And our Sages tell us, the Talmud tells us, that you would imagine there’d be animosity there, but we know that the students of Beit Shammai, and the descendants of Beit Shammai, the house of Shammai and the students and the descendants of the house of Hillel, married each other. And there are over 600 times in Talmud and commentaries where they’re disagreeing. They were people who were always, or 99% of the time, were on opposite sides of the perspective of the coin, of the spectrum. You know, Hillel and Shammai were bar plugtas, it’s called. What’s the difference between the two from your perspective? What does that mean? What’s the reason, when we think of healthy disagreement in Judaism, why is it the case that Hillel and Shammai in their debate, does the mishnah come to and it says, “Hey, listen, that’s the ideal type of way to have an argument?” Whereas Korach and his congregation is not the ideal. And what is the type of dispute that is not l’shem shamayim, that is not ideal? The answer is a machloket, a dispute, between Korach v’chol adato, and his entire community. The answer is, it’s a dispute between and Hillel and Shammai. And the answer is, zo machloket Hillel Shammai. Maybe that’s not even a great description. It’s from Pirkei Avot, Ethics of the Fathers, and it goes like this, eizoh hi machloket she’hi l’shem shamayim, what type of dispute is considered l’shem shamayim, meaning I guess, ideal, positive. Here’s a piece of Torah I want to share with you. Noam: I’m incredibly excited to have you here. So I’m grateful for the opportunity to be here. And also because I feel like it’s something that I’ve been very conscious of and trying over the last number of years to be more mindful and careful with and actually be actively working toward. So I thought that healthy disagreement… of everything that was left. You corner me into saying something about how I’m a Jewish supremacist or something like that and I just think that that’s not good for business. Fashion… listen, I think I’m doing okay, but there might be other people out there who could be better. Rav Judah: I’ll be honest, the love, success, happiness, I didn’t want to invite stink eye. I wasn’t expecting this to be your go-to topic of the 10. Noam: Rav Judah, there are 10 different topics that we have on the show, The Power Of. Rav Judah: Thank you so much for having me. Noam: Rav Judah, it is so incredible to have you on the show today on The Power Of. These are the questions I explored with Rav Judah, so ladies and gentlemen, I bring you, Rav Judah Mischel on the topic of Healthy Disagreements. And maybe just maybe, the person I am speaking to is a great human being who sees the world differently than me.
#GEMARA ISPEAK FULL#
It is so incredibly challenging to be so incredibly passionate about our own ideas on the one hand, and be open to the idea that maybe, just maybe I don’t see the full picture, or at least there are other ideas to consider. How many of us have this disposition? How many of us try to convince others that we are so right about everything and if they only just had the information we had, they would agree? How many of us forget what David Hume, the great philosopher, taught us hundreds of years ago, that it is futile to persuade someone of an idea with logic alone, that does not speak to one’s emotions? You’re eager to find out if you might be wrong.” It takes curiosity to actively seek evidence that challenges your views. You’re willing to concede you might be wrong. Adam Grant, a brilliant public intellectual out of the University of Pennsylvania, tells us that “it takes humility to consider information that contradicts your opinions. As you’ll hear, he and I disagree about a lot, and it’s intense.Īfter speaking with Rav Judah, I realized he has a trait I want to emulate in my life. And that’s why I had to speak to Rav Judah Mischel, one of my teachers, friends, and yes, one of my rebbes.
#GEMARA ISPEAK HOW TO#
In recent years, I’ve become obsessed with figuring out how to disagree with love, respect, and integrity and I’ve become even more obsessed with thinkers and leaders who push us in this area. There are memes, tweets, articles, books, whole tomes on the question of disagreement. To say it has become toxic is well beyond cliche at this point. People, and yes, I am one of them, struggle with the art and science of disagreement. But sometimes, they don’t just seem like a curiosity – oh, we disagree, that’s interesting, let’s talk about it. Sometimes, out with friends over a bottle of wine.ĭisagreeing/debating/seeing ideas differently are all a part of life.
Sometimes, at the dinner table with my wife.
#GEMARA ISPEAK PROFESSIONAL#
Sometimes, in a professional setting, with my colleagues. Little disagreements come up all the time. Like most people in 2021, I am both frustrated and fascinated by disagreement.
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